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kelvinp
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brandon webb too
but you can throw a cutter from the two seam grip
if you modify the grip or finger pressure its a different pitch
a sinker can be thrown from a cure grip
sllider can be thrown from a curve grip
its not all in the grip
its how its thrown and the break that make it a different pitch
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xv84
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| kelvinp wrote: |
its not all in the grip
its how its thrown and the break that make it a different pitch |
You just repeated what I already wrote 3 posts ago:
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| It doesn't make a difference what grip you use, it's how you release the ball. |
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MrLee
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Hey XV you are never going to get through to him, he doesnt listen, just what he thinks is right.
Multiple pitches can have the same grip. What the pitch actually does when it is released will give it the name. If a ball is held with a two-seam grip and it sinks then we would call it a splitter. If a ball is held with a two-seam grip and it runs life a two-seam fastball then we will call it just that. Does that make sense for you Kelvin or shall we all keep repeating ourselves? |
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kelvinp
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You just repeated what I already wrote 3 posts ago:
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yeah because people wont listen steady trying to prove me wrong
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Hey XV you are never going to get through to him, he doesnt listen, just what he thinks is right.
Multiple pitches can have the same grip. What the pitch actually does when it is released will give it the name. If a ball is held with a two-seam grip and it sinks then we would call it a splitter. If a ball is held with a two-seam grip and it runs life a two-seam fastball then we will call it just that. Does that make sense for you Kelvin or shall we all keep repeating ourselves? |
i will listen to something that makes sense to me
yes that makes sense
the break makes the pitch not the grip
so a two seam fastball and a sinker are different pitches
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You just repeated what I already wrote 3 posts ago:
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yeah because people wont listen steady trying to prove me wrong
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Hey XV you are never going to get through to him, he doesnt listen, just what he thinks is right.
Multiple pitches can have the same grip. What the pitch actually does when it is released will give it the name. If a ball is held with a two-seam grip and it sinks then we would call it a splitter. If a ball is held with a two-seam grip and it runs life a two-seam fastball then we will call it just that. Does that make sense for you Kelvin or shall we all keep repeating ourselves? |
i will listen to something that makes sense to me
yes that makes sense
the break makes the pitch not the grip
so a two seam fastball and a sinker are different pitches |
did anyone else lol at this? |
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kelvinp
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Hey XV you are never going to get through to him, he doesnt listen, just what he thinks is right.
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i will listen to something that makes sense to me
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| Multiple pitches can have the same grip. What the pitch actually does when it is released will give it the name. If a ball is held with a two-seam grip and it sinks then we would call it a splitter. If a ball is held with a two-seam grip and it runs life a two-seam fastball then we will call it just that. Does that make sense for you Kelvin or shall we all keep repeating ourselves? |
yes that makes sense
the break makes the pitch not the grip
so a two seam fastball and a sinker are different pitches because they have different breaks
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xv84
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Kelvin, Hoysauce posts pictures if his grips and you use it to validate your claim that the sinker and two-seam are different pitches. He never wrote anything about how he releases it. You quoted his pictures and said "about time someone say these are two different pitches". Based on what? His grips?
I keep telling you it's about the release not the grip.
Now you are changing your claim to "it's the release" from "it's the grip". You're just repeating what I have been trying to point out to you and now you are using them as your own words. Why is that you can't admit this?
Oh, and did you know Chad Bradford and Brad Ziegler throw their "sinkers" with a four-seam grip? |
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kelvinp
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| Kelvin, Hoysauce posts pictures if his grips and you use it to validate your claim that the sinker and two-seam are different pitches. He never wrote anything about how he releases it. You quoted his pictures and said "about time someone say these are two different pitches". Based on what? His grips |
im not changing nothing
hoysauce showing two grips for different pitches witch are supposed to be the same is proof that they are different
i still say it how it is released
if you ask hoysauce he will say he doesnt throw them the same way
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hoysauce showing two grips for different pitches witch are supposed to be the same is proof that they are different
i still say it how it is released
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You used his pictures as evidence that they are different, yet you say it's how it's released? Make up your mind. You are contradicting yourself.
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I'm sure he doesn't, but you quoted his grips not how he releases them. |
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kelvinp
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HOW CAN WE END THIS
are the two seam fastball and the sinker different pitches
explain your answer
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| Oh, and did you know Chad Bradford and Brad Ziegler throw their "sinkers" with a four-seam grip? |
low arm angles
natural movement
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MrLee
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HOW CAN WE END THIS
are the two seam fastball and the sinker different pitches
explain your answer |
Typically the 2seam fastball would be faster than the sinker. Even though they may be held the same (or different) they are different pitches because of what they do when coming to the plate. A 2seam tends to run while a sinker tends to dive or sink.
Different pitches if they have different movements. The way they are held does not determine what the pitch is. |
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